tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post7119037292615383526..comments2024-03-11T22:06:39.045-07:00Comments on BehaveNet® Opinion: Dr. E. Fuller Torrey Unethical?moviedochttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03617061594621924756noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-66953226400890069802011-01-13T15:07:43.271-08:002011-01-13T15:07:43.271-08:00"According to Section 7.3 of the Ethics Code ..."According to Section 7.3 of the Ethics Code of The American Psychiatric Association"<br /><br />Does the APA Ethics code have any legal standing or any kind of enforcement on nonmembers? Not trying to be difficult, but it seems it would not unless codified in whatever state Torrey was in (and I have no idea on that).<br /><br />If not, then Torrey's actions would be no more unethical than if he contravened the Bosnian Plumber's Guide.<br /><br />Otherwise, you can talk morality and proper action but not ethics.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-89881886442401307162011-01-13T11:03:30.410-08:002011-01-13T11:03:30.410-08:00I think the point here is that Dr. Fuller is held ...I think the point here is that Dr. Fuller is held to ethical standards becasue of his profession. When we ask Rush Limbaugh about Mr. Loughner we understand that Rush's opinion is not one of a professional psychiatrist capable and qualified to Dx mental health issues described in the DSM-IVTR. I do believe that Dr. Fuller's opinion is unethical.Aaronhttp://about.me/aaronbrownnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-39442579560084468472011-01-13T08:35:43.661-08:002011-01-13T08:35:43.661-08:00Ha ha. I think there are ways to convey a medical ...Ha ha. I think there are ways to convey a medical opinion that do not violate any ethical guidelines, but ethical guidelines only apply to ethical individuals. I'm a forensic psychiatrist (a real, board-certified card-carrying member of AAPL and some other groups) but the "experts" I meet in many of my cases are sometimes not even regular ABPN-certified, let alone members of any professional groups. And they are out there charging big bucks for bought opinions without any compunctions. PLUS - this is the real kicker - whether or not Loughner is schizophrenic is only a small component of whether or not he can be found legally insane, which is a totally different standard. Which Torrey for all his fame and fortune might not even know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-32800025112273057782011-01-12T14:19:15.496-08:002011-01-12T14:19:15.496-08:00"Nut case?" "Screw Loose?" Are..."Nut case?" "Screw Loose?" Are those some of those proposed new DSM-5 diagnoses? Why shouldn't Torrey offer a diagnosis? I have it on good authority now that he is not even a member of APA. Should he even be bound by the Ethics Code? That 99% is certainly up there. In expert testimony at trial the accepted level of "medical degree of certainty" is usually only 51% ("more likely than not").moviedochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617061594621924756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-38219838693056294972011-01-12T14:02:58.308-08:002011-01-12T14:02:58.308-08:00Well, it's obvious the guy is either a nut-cas...Well, it's obvious the guy is either a nut-case or he has a screw loose (but then I am not a mechanic). -- Of course Torrey shouldn't offer a diagnosis, nor should he pretend that it is so precise (99% indeed! I would have guessed 92.)John Frenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07345350913804708358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-13789999780286505162011-01-12T13:35:47.536-08:002011-01-12T13:35:47.536-08:00I'm not familiar with whatever code of ethics ...I'm not familiar with whatever code of ethics might hold sway over Rush Limbaugh or Rachel Maddow. What do you think, pj1280?moviedochttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03617061594621924756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1627739177988026073.post-50110128432498660052011-01-12T13:22:01.886-08:002011-01-12T13:22:01.886-08:00So it's unethical for E. Fuller Torrey to sugg...So it's unethical for E. Fuller Torrey to suggest that Loughner might be schizophrenic, but it's okay for Rush Limbaugh or Rachel Maddow to do so?SteveBMDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11937264509253612864noreply@blogger.com